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Metal Detecting articles from njminerals.org Side by Side Comparison - Minelab Explorer XS vs. Tesoro
Tejon njminerals.org is mainly about [what else?] mineral collecting, but we have a bit of
metal detecting stuff as well... this little sub-section may become
larger if time allows. Behold, Chris's Metal Detecting Page. About the color scheme:
most of njminerals.org uses a black background. This was meant to
give the impression of being in a darkened room, making the glow of the
minerals more
prominent. It would be nice to keep the whole site
consistently light-on-dark, but people who surf in looking for metal
detector info seem to find it odd. What's New: We received an email from another detectorist.
Even after reading our article, he seemed to believe the Tejon was somehow far inferior to the Minelab.
He was incredulous that our own article could be true (though true it is, and based on a carefully-conducted test). This emailer referred to something called the "Ingo
Test". He pointed to an experiment (made using the Ingo Test) that suggested the Tesoro Tejon could find a 0.7" silver coin
at no more than 4.72 inches, while the Explorer series could find the same
coin at better than 7 inches. That's about a dime-dized coin. While the test is
interesting, it fails to take into account the ionization that would
occur from soil acids and water over many years. "Study it carefully," said the emailer. Indeed. Here are some things to consider: 1.) The "Ingo Test" is not a real-life test. A Tesoro Tejon was used to find a Barber dime at a measured 9.5 inches at
an old house site in New Jersey. The only other way to have known that
a Barber dime was buried there would have been to use X-ray vision or clairvoyance.
Or, perhaps, to guess correctly that a Barber dime was lost in that
exact spot 90 or 100 years ago...... nope, sorry, the Tejon found it
at 9.5 inches, fair and square. Well, actually, it gave a round signal (though a faint one). At another location, the
Tesoro yielded a
Barber dime at a measured 9.0 inches. At a third location, the
machine once revealed
a Wheat penny at about 12 inches (even I found this hard to believe, but I
measured it). In none of these cases was the depth a result of
the coin falling out of the side of the hole. As holes were dug,
sides and bottom were scanned continually with Treasure Mate
probe.
3.) The
"Ingo Test", while interesting, still has the drawback of not being able
to predict how a detector will respond to long-buried objects. This
was the very issue we remedied in our own comparison. 4.) Consider that friend of yours, who
keeps digging iron all day. Did you ever stop to think, maybe he digs
all that iron because he knows something
you don't................? For your reading pleasure, here it is: The "Shootout" The following is a comparison of two metal detectors that I use. I've posted this comparison to another forum, but now that I've put in more time on both machines, I am even more confident in my conclusions. When doing a side-by-side comparison of metal detectors, one mustn't be tempted to say "Stan with detector X found more coins than Timmy with detector Y, therefore detector X is better". If they were hitting different targets in different areas of the place, this test tells us nothing! Passing it off as a scientific comparison would be committing an especially gross act of junk science; Stan could have gotten very lucky and put his coil in just the right places that day, while Timmy might actually have the better detector but was having a bad day. It's true that comparing two different brands of detector may be like comparing apples to oranges anyway, but in this case we're going to compare them as best we can. The crux of the test is to use each detector to go over an unknown target, record the results, then dig the target up and see what it was. The way I test the machines is to set them up the way I prefer to use them, given the particular soil conditions where I hunt (in other words, tweaked for maximal depth while remaining stable). You may notice the Explorer was not set to its absolute limit of sensitivity. At least one technician at Minelab USA has told me that 24 actually gives the highest sensitivity for a lot of soil conditions. I don't know if that's always true or not, but 24 is about as high as I can run the machine in the magnetite-rich soil where I hunt. THE PLACE: An old fairground site. This place was hunted heavily in the late 1980's and into the 90's. Therefore, it does not have that many shallow targets, and nearly all of the remaining coins are at least 6 inches deep. It is not an easy place to find something good. THE DETECTORS were set up as follows: Tejón: SENS = 10 DISC1 = FOIL DISC2 = TABS THRESH set low (not supertuned, because I like to trigger into All Metal sometimes) Ground balance slightly positive COIL was stock 9x8 concentric Explorer XS: SENS = 24 / Manual IRON MASK = -14 GAIN = 7 SOUNDS = Ferrous COIL was the stock 10.5" Double D SOIL CONDITIONS: A dark soil composed of organic matter, iron minerals (mostly magnetite), and clay minerals. The dug soil becomes like wet cement after a good rain (fun!). This time, the soil was moderately damp but not soaking wet. THE TARGETS were unknown until they were actually dug! This is the only way to do a scientifically valid test, because (1) freshly-buried targets will lack the ionization halo that takes years to form, and (2) knowing what the target is can bias the operator's interpretation of the signal. The former is especially true for iron targets; a freshly-buried nail is not going to react to the metal detector's field the same way as if it's been buried for a hundred years. (There is a well-known detecting site that attempts to disprove the "halo theory", but I believe their methodology was flawed. They do have a very nice site, though.). Now let's see what the detectors said and what the targets turned out to be: ------------------ Target 1. Both detectors gave solid "DIG" signal. The Minelab showed it in the area of the screen where I usually get Lincoln pennies- very consistent, did not bounce. The tone was a very nice, fluty high tone with modulation. The Tesoro gave solid tone even on DISC 2. What it was: An iron ring or collar, thoroughly rusted, depth about 6-7 inches. Its circular shape is probably why it registered so well. There was nothing else in the hole. ------------------ Target 2. Both detectors gave solid "DIG" signal. Minelab showed it in the area where it could have been either a larger silver coin or a piece of magnetite (yes, I've dug magnetite with an Explorer... often). The sound was a nice, fluty high tone with modulation. The Tesoro gave a solid tone even on DISC 2. What it was: a 1911-D Barber Quarter at 7". There was nothing else in the hole.
------------------ Target 3. The Minelab suggested there were 2 targets. One of them showed in the silver zone. It gave a high, fluty tone with modulation; it sounded like a very good target. The Tesoro gave a good but very LOUD signal that began to break up in DISC2 (which I usually keep just above "pulltabs").. The Tesoro also led me to believe it was about 6 to 8 inches from where Minelab said it was. The Tesoro was right. What it was: A rusted piece of iron strap hinge. The Minelab had me digging everywhere. Even when I uncovered the hinge with the aid of the Tejón, the Explorer was still telling me there was a coin 6" or 8" away. There wasn't. After I took the hinge out of the hole, all signals went away. ----------------- Target 4. The Minelab gave a super high tone with very little modulation (this is the "nail sound" that I've learned to avoid for the most part). The cursor jumped from extreme upper left to extreme upper right, also suggesting nails. According to the Minelab, this was a "NO DIG" signal. The Tejon was still giving me a "DIG" signal, somewhat faint but very steady. What it was: A small brass air valve, from a bicycle or a very old car. It was hiding among rusted nails. Depth was about 6". ----------------- What This Comparison Didn't Do: It didn't test the absolute depth limits of the detectors in the particular soil conditions. Is the Explorer deeper than the Tejon? I wouldn't say that. A good friend of mine is a die-hard Explorer fan. I am a fan of both machines, but I really love the Tejon. When he gets a faint signal on the Minelab, sometimes he asks me to come over and check it with my Tesoro. The same signal will be also be faint on the Tesoro, but I'll detect it just as well as he will. In fact, the deepest coins I've found so far have been with the Tejon. You may not want to hear this. Look, I'm not bashing Minelabs-- I love 'em and would recommend them to anyone with a sufficient budget-- but I'm going to put it to you this way: the depth of these two machines is about equal. There are some ways the Minelab Explorer beats the Tejon, but not by as much as the $400 to $600 price difference would suggest. At the price of a new Tejon or a used Explorer XS, on the other hand, now I'd say it's a toss up. Both will find dime-sized targets at 8 to 9 inches pretty reliably, unless you're doing something wrong. The new Tejon has a great warranty (lifetime, in fact) that the used Explorer just ain't gonna have. If you plan to hunt coins buried deeper than 10 inches on a routine basis, forget both machines and save your money for a Nexus. You might find the occasional coin at 12 inches with either the Tejon or the Explorer. These extremely deep finds do happen. I found a wheat cent at 11 1/2 inches (update: it was closer to 12; I just dug up the photo I'd taken on that day) and a Jefferson nickel at 10 inches with the Tejon. That's very impressive, considering most other VLF detectors max out around 6 or 7 inches on coins this size. Some Explorer users have reported coin finds at ridiculous depths (16-18 inches), but where I hunt, a dime begins to sound faint on the Explorer at 8 inches. That's not to say an Explorer can't do those super depths if the conditions are right, it's just that it requires a lot of experience, perfect ground conditions, and optimum machine setup. Besides, a quarter or a half is easier to detect than a dime. Some relic hunters have reported Minie ball finds at 18 inches with the Tejon. I cannot yet vouch for this from experience, but they are probably telling the truth. At such depths the sound won't be so much a "beep" as it will a faint "click". The other thing to remember about the Tejon is that these extreme depths are best achieved on mid-conductive targets such as lead, brass, bronze, nickel, and gold. The Tejon's designers intended it to be a relic hunting machine first and foremost. Silver coins may not register as strongly as bronze or bullets at the outer limits of the Tejon's depth; however, I do know that a lot of Brits swear by the Tejon for hunting those thin, hammered silver coins from the Middle Ages. Most of those register somewhere in the Aluminum Foil range anyway. Finding coins at over 10 inches requires ideal ground conditions for either machine. Most of the sites you hunt won't be ideal. I read a booklet from the early 1980's that claimed people were finding small targets at up to 22 inches deep with the detectors of their day. By "small" I take it they meant "Volkswagen bus". Actually, in all-metal mode, the detectors of the 1980's had pretty good depth. CONCLUSION: The tests suggest that both the Explorer and the Tejon are excellent, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. Notice that I don't list lack of a visual target ID (TID) as a "con" for the Tejon. Tejón pros: • Great depth • Light weight • Analog knobs are easy to adjust on-the-fly • Precise pinpointing • Good at picking out small targets among nails b Tejón cons: • Only one tone • Can be fooled by iron targets sometimes • Manual ground balancing may need readjustment as you hunt Explorer pros: • Great depth • Tone ID • DD coil included standard - covers more ground per sweep • Display screen and programmability • Automatically deals with ground mineralization Explorer cons: • Heavy weight • Can be fooled by iron targets sometimes (even Tone ID and Display will give false indications) • Pinpointing difficult (especially if there is rusty iron or multiple targets near each other) • The XS model has very slow threshold recovery (improved in the II and SE models) ------------------------ Some dealers claim the Explorer can mask out iron completely. This absolutely not true. There is not a metal detector in existence that can distinguish 100% of the time between a good target and a piece of iron that has built up a large halo in the ground. Go back and read that sentence one more time. If something shows up in the "coin" area of the screen and makes a nice, high, fluty tone, you're going to detect it even if running Discrim or Iron Mask at a high level. In other words, circular iron can come along and fool your discrim / iron mask. The Explorer SE reportedly has better iron discrimination than the II or the XS, but I doubt it's magical. There is always going to be that piece of badly corroded iron that has just the right characteristics to give the "high fluty tone" of a coin. Someone on the treasure forums recently unearthed a Civil War revolver (!!!) in an area full of horseshoes. Maybe you shouldn't ignore those iron signals after all (even if it were possible). One more thing... it just occurred to me that someone could buy a Tejon and a Silver umax for less than it would cost for an Explorer SE. That's two detectors for less than the other would cost. Not that you shouldn't buy an SE... they're awesome units... but people who get crazy about metal detectors start to think in terms of "how many [decent] detectors can I squeeze into my budget". Just an interesting thought to consider. Site Map / Articles Index Main page |
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